Silverstone TJ 11

[nitromullet]

Surprised I haven't seen this over here yet...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4pAjngV-F4&playnext_from=TL&videos=BSeexox30WA

It fits a 560 rad in the bottom!

11/1/2010: updated info (from http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1522144)

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http://ascii.jp/elem/000/000/560/560658/
http://akiba-pc.watch.impress.co.jp/hotline/20101009/etc_sstoneev1.html

Here are links to the product event we co-hosted with our distributor in Japan last weekend. A close to final spec TJ11 was shown along with advanced prototypes of other upcoming cases such as RV03, FT03, HTPC cases:

http://ascii.jp/elem/000/000/560/560658/
http://akiba-pc.watch.impress.co.jp/hotline/20101009/etc_sstoneev1.html

It's difficult to see from the photos, but the TJ11 presented had the following updates (along with few tweaks) over the one shown in June at Computex:

- Functional slide out motherboard tray
- Dual LED-lit power buttons
- Frame made out of extruded aluminum instead of plastic
- Every aluminum part is sand-blasted and anodized
- Expansion slots increased to nine to support XL-ATX
- Slide-out fan filters from mid-section air duct
- All screws, no rivets

For those of you curious, the TJ11 is indeed the biggest case we've ever made by real volume. Dimension wise, the RV01's total measurements are greater, but that's mainly due to its unusual shape and extruding bits and pieces.

The official measurement for TJ11 is:

224 mm (W) x 642 mm (H) x 657 mm (D) ~ 95 liters
8.82" (W) x 25.28" x (H) x 25.87" (D)

As a comparison, the TJ07 is:

220 mm (W) x 560 mm (H) x 565 mm (D) ~ 70 liters
8.66" (W) x 22.05" (H) x 22.24" (D)

FWIW: Tony Ou is a SilverStone rep that posts on [H]

11/11/2010 Update:

supposed final build pics, specs, and marketing copy:

Temjin TJ11

Headline
Tower of power, elegance, and technical excellence

Introduction
In 2005, SilverStone created the Temjin TJ07, a tower chassis that was built ahead of its time with unprecedented unibody construction and compartmentalized layout for near limitless liquid cooling configuration. Then in 2006, the Temjin TJ09 was released with beautiful classic styling and advanced see-through air duct designed for cooling generations of powerful graphics cards that was yet to be released. In 2008, SilverStone broke convention and created the first retail computer chassis to implement 90 degree motherboard mounting with the RAVEN RV01, a new design that set benchmarks for balancing air cooling performance and quietness.

Not content to rest on its past achievements, SilverStone engineers aim to set yet another benchmark with the Temjin TJ11 for 2010 and beyond. The TJ11 possess all the greatest features from past SilverStone flagships products along with new designs such as the Air Penetrator fans, making it a superb chassis for cooling and low noise.In addition, there are plenty of ergonomic touches such as quick access filters, hot-swappable hard drive bays, removable motherboard tray, CPU back plate cutout, and optimized cable routing paths to enable easy maintenance/upgrade for always running as efficiently as possible.
For hardcore enthusiasts, the beautifully crafted all aluminum TJ11 is a pleasure to work with as the entire chassis is free of rivets so everything can be taken apart. It also has a bigger lower compartment than the TJ07 to house the largest radiator available such as Hardware Labs Black Ice® SR1 560 (4 x 140mm).
The potential and the flexibility of TJ11 are truly unrivaled. It can be used to build a top of the line gaming PC with its 1000W+ cooling capability on air, build an impressive storage server with its plethora of drive bay options, or build an amazing piece of technology artwork with liquid cooling.


Special Features
Compartmentalized layout from Temjin TJ07
See-through air duct from Temjin TJ09
90 degree motherboard mounting from RAVEN RV01
Includes two Air Penetrator AP181 fans to aid stack cooling
Room for fitting powerful water cooling equipment

Motherboard back plate opening behind CPU area for quick cooler assembly
Support 11” wide ATX motherboard
Dual power supply support
Extra large venting area for 10th expansion slot
Rivet free construction for maximum serviceability and modding
All aluminum construction with anodized sand-blasted finish

from: http://forums.vr-zone.com/hardware-arena/907864-tj11.html

update: 11/21/2010

More pics, and what looks like a retail box in the background of one of them. This looks like it's probably the final design. http://www.expreview.com/12539.html

Updated 2/7/2011:

Video of the final version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHu-uwHuBow&feature=player_embedded

"MSRP $599 USD" per Tony.

Starting to show up in retail pre-order.

http://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-Co...tag=atmlinr-20

http://www.google.com/search?aq=f&s..._link&ct=mode&cd=5&ved=0CCcQ_AUoBA&fp=1&cad=b

 

[Corporate Thug]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2078195&highlight=tj11



Diggin this case! Probably a fortune.

 

[CurseTheSky]

If it's completely aluminum like the TJ07, I might bite. If it's mostly steel like the FT02, they can keep it.

 

[qazwsxokmijn]

What's the difference between the TJ11 and FT02?

 

[CurseTheSky]

What's the difference between the TJ11 and FT02?

Different size (the FT02 is roughly the same height as the FT01, which is a mid tower, but is much deeper), different layout (dual chamber design on the TJ11), and different exterior styling.

 

[nitromullet]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2078195&highlight=tj11



Diggin this case! Probably a fortune.

You're right, it will be pricey. For me, it is probably going to be between one of these and a Mountain Mod case for my next case purchase. Silverstone definitely gets the nod for looks, but the MM will still probably more flexible and future proof. Both will most likely be $400+...

Different size (the FT02 is roughly the same height as the FT01, which is a mid tower, but is much deeper), different layout (dual chamber design on the TJ11), and different exterior styling.

Yeah, the TJ11 is big. That 560 rad next to the case is a BIG rad, it just looks small because that case is huge. It also has nine 5.25" bays up front plus room for the HD cages and the extra height to accommodate for the cable shroud up top. I imagine it looks smaller than it really is because it still has similar proportions as most mid towers, it's just bigger in every dimension.

 

[CurseTheSky]

Yeah, I think I'll pass on this one. It's a monster, probably has an internal structure of steel (heavy), and just doesn't have the same good looks as the TJ07, at least from these pictures.

FT01 and TJ07 for the win, even if they're outdated.

 

[nitromullet]

Yeah, I think I'll pass on this one. It's a monster, probably has an internal structure of steel (heavy), and just doesn't have the same good looks as the TJ07, at least from these pictures.

FT01 and TJ07 for the win, even if they're outdated.

Yeah, steel sucks.

I usually opt for Lian Li, but they really aren't catering to water coolers at all lately.

 

[manimal]

Looks good, not as drop dead gorgeous as I would have hoped. Remember the first time you saw a tj07? Made a bigger impression on me than Heidi Klum!!!

I see how they went for understated elegance.

 

[ehume]

Remember the first time you saw a tj07? Made a bigger impression on me than Heidi Klum!!!

I just keep chuckling about this.

 

[nitromullet]

updated info (from http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1522144)

http://i55.tinypic.com/17pvr5.jpg
http://i53.tinypic.com/2i113dl.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/330qxjl.jpg
http://i54.tinypic.com/2yo2xkh.jpg
http://i53.tinypic.com/2n8vuxe.jpg

http://ascii.jp/elem/000/000/560/560658/
http://akiba-pc.watch.impress.co.jp/hotline/20101009/etc_sstoneev1.html

It's difficult to see from the photos, but the TJ11 presented had the following updates (along with few tweaks) over the one shown in June at Computex:

- Functional slide out motherboard tray
- Dual LED-lit power buttons
- Frame made out of extruded aluminum instead of plastic
- Every aluminum part is sand-blasted and anodized
- Expansion slots increased to nine to support XL-ATX
- Slide-out fan filters from mid-section air duct
- All screws, no rivets

 

[Minerva]

I don't know what all the fuss is about this case. 90 degree mounting is nice and all but this is just a taller version of the FT02/RV02 series. If it cannot fit full sized mobos like the SR-2 (even the 4X SLI EVGA board won't fit!) it's useless. Also have you seen how expensive it is? Over $700! D:

 

[nitromullet]

I don't know what all the fuss is about this case. 90 degree mounting is nice and all but this is just a taller version of the FT02/RV02 series. If it cannot fit full sized mobos like the SR-2 (even the 4X SLI EVGA board won't fit!) it's useless. Also have you seen how expensive it is? Over $700! D:

Where did you get the pricing info from? Two pieces of data I haven't been able to find are price and actual dimensions.

It actually does fit the 4-way SLI board, that was one of the changes they made in the revision (See my post above).

As far as what the fuss is about... For me personally, this case is one of the few cases that looks like it will excel at both air cooling and water cooling. I've been interested in Silverstone's 90 degree motherboard thing since I decided to take a break from water cooling, and I just happened to find an RV01 for cheap so I picked it up. I'm sold on the whole 90 degree motherboard, but the RV01, RV02, or FT02 aren't really water cooling friendly. Plus, IMO the TJ 11 is a better looking case than all of them, except maybe the FT02.

...but, If true, $700 is too much.

edit: I actually did find dimensions in the [H] thread:

224 mm (W) x 642 mm (H) x 657 mm (D) ~ 95 liters
8.82" (W) x 25.28" x (H) x 25.87" (D)

...updated first post.

 

[CurseTheSky]

As long as it's 99% aluminum like the original TJ07 and FT01, I'll be interested. If it's mostly steel with an aluminum unibody "frame" like the FT02, I'll pass. The FT02 was amazing at air cooling, but just lacked the quality feel of the TJ07 and FT01, IMO.

I'm actually very pleased with my current FT01-BW - best case I've ever used (for comparison, my FT02 is sitting up in the attic and I gave my P182 SE away). My only complaints are the problem with the top fan filter (can't be removed without taking the fan off), the lack of a removable motherboard tray, and only USB 2.0 / Firewire ports up front (needs eSATA or USB 3.0). I hope the TJ11 at least comes with frontal eSATA.

 

[nitromullet]

It's tough to say if it's all aluminum or not. I'm leaning towards steel with aluminum frame though.

I definitely prefer aluminum, but my opinion has changed on it a bit since I picked up my RV01. If the interior is painted, steel is acceptable if the case is well built.

Although, the RV01 is steel and quite a bit of plastic, it actually is surprisingly high quality and feels really sturdy. Plus, compared to all the Lian Li cases I've owned, it seems like it's very quiet in part because of the materials used.

I've never seen an FT02 in person, so I cannot say how they compare. One thing I don't like about the FT02 though is how you can tell different materials were used for the front, sides, and drive bay covers. You can even see this in the pictures. If they are going to 'veneer' the exterior with aluminum they should do the whole thing, and not mix metals on the exterior. The exterior on the FT02 lacks uniformity, which is a shame because the basic shape/form is otherwise very nice looking.

For me, it's really going to come down to size, price, and final looks/quality of the TJ 11 before I can really decide if it's what I want. The features it offers are almost 100% IMO, although I'd really like to see SilverStone come out with some matching optical drive bezels.

 

[Minerva]

Does not look like a 762 will fit!

Well at least not without hacking something. Not acceptable for a case that costs more than a dual socket board!

The FT02 is much better quality than the RV02. Much better looking unless you're into that "boy racer" gamer look too. The RV02 has a ton of cheap looking plastic on the front and non standard contoured faceplates, etc. The RV03 is even worse.

If the FT02 was just three inches longer and had the additional slots it would be close to perfect. Sure you could make it 100% Al with thicker sides to make up for the weakness of the Al but you get back into the $600-$800 range. Might as well go Windy.

 

[nitromullet]

Does not look like a 762 will fit!

It's difficult to see from the photos, but the TJ11 presented had the following updates (along with few tweaks) over the one shown in June at Computex:

- Functional slide out motherboard tray
- Dual LED-lit power buttons
- Frame made out of extruded aluminum instead of plastic
- Every aluminum part is sand-blasted and anodized
- Expansion slots increased to nine to support XL-ATX
- Slide-out fan filters from mid-section air duct
- All screws, no rivets

That quote is from Tony Ou of SilverStone.

Edit: I also agree that the FT02 is generally better looking than all the Ravens (it's also more expensive), but even with the changes you propose it's still not a good water cooling case. It seems that SilverStone is trying to capture the legacy of the TJ 07 with TJ 11, so having the sideways mounted PSU with room for a radiator in the bottom is a must. The TJ 07 is a gorgeous looking case, but a mediocre air cooling case even in its day (more HD fans than anything else). The TJ 11 looks like it will be one of the few cases that excels for either purpose.

 

[CurseTheSky]

If the FT02 was just three inches longer and had the additional slots it would be close to perfect. Sure you could make it 100% Al with thicker sides to make up for the weakness of the Al but you get back into the $600-$800 range. Might as well go Windy.

I don't see how they made the original TJ07 all aluminum, not flimsy, and still hit the ~$350 price mark then. The FT01 is smaller, but also all aluminum and only $250ish.

I think it's just cost-cutting measures, personally. The FT02 is still a wonderful case, but aluminum tends to have a MUCH nicer feel than steel, and it's also significantly lighter. With both the FT01 and FT02 side-by-side, it's easy to tell which has the higher class look and feel - yet the both cost the same.

 

[ehume]

Just looked at the FT01, based on the above discussion. I wish they would update it to include a cpu window on the mb tray.

 

[CurseTheSky]

Just looked at the FT01, based on the above discussion. I wish they would update it to include a cpu window on the mb tray.

No kidding. There is a windowed version if you mean a side panel window to see into the case (FT01-BW or -SW). If you mean a cutout on the motherboard tray to access the CPU cooler from the back of the motherboard, well, you could always cut one yourself.

Like I said above, if they simply updated the FT01 to include front eSATA or USB 3.0, fixed the top fan filter, and made the motherboard tray removable, it'd be my ideal case. I'm still VERY happy with my FT01-BW.

 

[ehume]

No kidding. There is a windowed version if you mean a side panel window to see into the case (FT01-BW or -SW). If you mean a cutout on the motherboard tray to access the CPU cooler from the back of the motherboard, well, you could always cut one yourself.

Like I said above, if they simply updated the FT01 to include front eSATA or USB 3.0, fixed the top fan filter, and made the motherboard tray removable, it'd be my ideal case. I'm still VERY happy with my FT01-BW.

I've ended up buying two cases with top IO clusters. Hate them. Fixed the problem with this 5.25 IO panel. Bought a second when the first worked out so well - one for each case. They have eSATA's on them - just no USB3/eSATA3 yet.

 

[CurseTheSky]

I've ended up buying two cases with top IO clusters. Hate them. Fixed the problem with this 5.25 IO panel. Bought a second when the first worked out so well - one for each case. They have eSATA's on them - just no USB3/eSATA3 yet.

True. I wish I could find one that was mostly just a brushed aluminum face place with small openings for eSATA and perhaps USB.

 

[nitromullet]

I've ended up buying two cases with top IO clusters. Hate them. Fixed the problem with this 5.25 IO panel. Bought a second when the first worked out so well - one for each case. They have eSATA's on them - just no USB3/eSATA3 yet.

Yeah, I wonder how well these will work on the TJ 11...

I don't like top facing I/O on full towers either, I can't use them with the case under my desk. I ended up cutting the ones on my Rocketfish case out completely to make room for a 120.4 radiator.

 

[Minerva]

That quote is from Tony Ou of SilverStone.

Edit: I also agree that the FT02 is generally better looking than all the Ravens (it's also more expensive), but even with the changes you propose it's still not a good water cooling case. It seems that SilverStone is trying to capture the legacy of the TJ 07 with TJ 11, so having the sideways mounted PSU with room for a radiator in the bottom is a must. The TJ 07 is a gorgeous looking case, but a mediocre air cooling case even in its day (more HD fans than anything else). The TJ 11 looks like it will be one of the few cases that excels for either purpose.

Opinions vary of course but the pic does not show enough slots. If they've updated it then great. (maybe!) Of course it's very expensive.
On to water cooling I've never understood the fascination with cramming radiators inside the case. All the watercooling I've done has been outside of the case. Starting with cooling towers (bongs as some called them) from the Athlon 462 days to self contained (like Koolance and to a lesser extent Zalman's reserator thing-a-ma-gig. Never been a fan of Z products. They are a chrome plated Thermaltake. (again my opinion so don't be too harsh!) Mounting the cooling system externally means you have only two lines coming in and out of the case and just looks better too. I'll leave all the hoses and complex stuff for the engine compartments of boats and cars! D:

Another thing I don't get is the "feel" unless you're stroking your case panels! OK understood that if you spend $500 for a box to put your computer hardware in it should have decent fit and finish, right? Alrighty then!

For front panel stuff I'd prefer them to leave it out on a big case. With all those bays you could easily put your own thing in there with all the ports and card readers. (40 in one card reader? Really where do they come up with this shit these days? Most people only need CF, SD and MAYBE micro SD or if they're unfortunate enough to own a Sony product memory stick pro. ) Front audio is OK but most people have an add on card and the provided cables usually are useless on anything but motherboard built in audio which is not very good.

Honestly if I were building something with all the WC inside I'd go with a Mountain Mods box or just have one made up at a fabricator. I'm not big for paying all this money for a metal box made in China! At least LL is Taiwanese. Pretty sad day when we have to look up to stuff made in Taiwan.

 

[nitromullet]

Opinions vary of course but the pic does not show enough slots. If they've updated it then great. (maybe!) Of course it's very expensive.

Here's an updated pic from the [H] thread:

On to water cooling I've never understood the fascination with cramming radiators inside the case. All the watercooling I've done has been outside of the case. Starting with cooling towers (bongs as some called them) from the Athlon 462 days to self contained (like Koolance and to a lesser extent Zalman's reserator thing-a-ma-gig. Never been a fan of Z products. They are a chrome plated Thermaltake. (again my opinion so don't be too harsh!) Mounting the cooling system externally means you have only two lines coming in and out of the case and just looks better too. I'll leave all the hoses and complex stuff for the engine compartments of boats and cars! D:

It seems that you and I disagree on a lot of things... Nothing wrong with that - I don't post on AT to agree with everyone or to have everyone agree with me.

Unless I can build a very interesting external water box system, I don't think I would ever go external. It sort of takes the challenge out of water cooling once you go outside the case. Getting the most out of the space I have is half the allure of water cooling to me. Plus, radiators aren't particularly attractive so I prefer to keep them internal.

For front panel stuff I'd prefer them to leave it out on a big case. With all those bays you could easily put your own thing in there with all the ports and card readers. (40 in one card reader? Really where do they come up with this shit these days? Most people only need CF, SD and MAYBE micro SD or if they're unfortunate enough to own a Sony product memory stick pro. ) Front audio is OK but most people have an add on card and the provided cables usually are useless on anything but motherboard built in audio which is not very good.

I actually tend to agree with you on this, but I imagine that any case manufacturer not including I/O on the front or top of the case in 2010 is going to get ripped by reviewers. It's a check box feature that is a must for a mass produced case. I guess it's nice to have easy USB access out of the box for your iPod or phone, but I can take it or leave it. It's not going to be a deal breaker for me one way or the other.

Honestly if I were building something with all the WC inside I'd go with a Mountain Mods box or just have one made up at a fabricator. I'm not big for paying all this money for a metal box made in China! At least LL is Taiwanese. Pretty sad day when we have to look up to stuff made in Taiwan.

I tend to agree with you again if the goal is just water cooling, as I said earlier in the thread:

For me, it is probably going to be between one of these and a Mountain Mod case for my next case purchase. Silverstone definitely gets the nod for looks, but the MM will still probably more flexible and future proof. Both will most likely be $400+...

I usually opt for Lian Li, but they really aren't catering to water coolers at all lately.

That being said, the TJ 11 looks like it will be one of the few cases that will will be good for water and air. Right now I'm back to air, but I may very well go water again in the future. With my current RV01, water is not really a realistic option. I don't consider the provided brackets for a rear mounted, external rad an option, although I guess it would suffice in a pinch.

I also agree with you on SS quality. I remember when I used to shop at Monarch Computers before they closed (which was the only place I knew of that had an abundance of Lian and SS cases on display), and the build quality of Lian Li and SilverStone really stood apart from the others back then. Now, this distinction really only belongs to Lian Li. After seeing the RV02 on display at Fry's, I was really surprised that the build quality of the RV01 I picked up (for cheap) was as nice as it is. It has given me hope that the TJ 11 will be a solid case, but of course it all depends on price.

The problem with Lian Li is that they aren't really innovating or improving much except with the Tyr/PC-X line, but these are kind of quirky in their own right and not really water cooling friendly either. LL cases are still the best looking mass produced cases out there IMO.